A conversation goes sometimes into personal things and that's nicer. You look to each other and you have a different picture, you get into a relationship.
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What I think we need to do to engage the American people in a conversation about entitlement reform is to have a bipartisan group of people who come together and put every solution on the table, every alternative on the table. And then we ought to engage in a long conversation with the American people so they understand the choices.